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PostSubject: Mystery Theater 3000 (Ugly unauthorized edit of our oldhosteldHD24 stage)   Wed Dec 09, 2009 6:42 am


Screenshot of the stage in wide mode (1280*720) downsized in 640*360
(downscaled, click on screenshot to open it and use the magnifier/mouse to see it real size).


This HD 720 stage is another pathetic hack of the original stage oldhostelHD24 included in the brokenmugen HD beta 3 release (06/10/2009) :

colors : 24 bits...
resolution : 1280*720
Animated : no
superjump : few
FPS 1280*800 16 bits : soon
FPS 1280*800 32 bits : can't because RCx is 16 bits only.

As we are the authors of the original release, we prefer to host it ourself than to let only warhouses providing it

OldHostelHD24 copies represent now 40% of the available HD stages for Mugen V1.0

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PostSubject: Re: Mystery Theater 3000 (Ugly unauthorized edit of our oldhosteldHD24 stage)   Wed Dec 09, 2009 2:21 pm

Actually, he didn't edit your stage. He just got the original image from the original site and did a new version from scratch, without using your code or your sff. Just like Cybaster.

The idea to use that image was first yours? Sure.

But since you don't own the original image, other stages made from it aren't illegal, and definetly not edits. In contrast, you did edit Warusaki's stuff, since you used it as a base and only modified it slightly.

Not taking sides, just clarifying some definitions.


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PostSubject: Re: Mystery Theater 3000 (Ugly unauthorized edit of our oldhosteldHD24 stage)   Wed Dec 09, 2009 2:34 pm

Because you think Warusaki is copyright owner of Vega sprites ?

Those guys should create some stages without copying our ideas and our works, which doesn't come from an existing videogame.
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PostSubject: Re: Mystery Theater 3000 (Ugly unauthorized edit of our oldhosteldHD24 stage)   Wed Dec 09, 2009 2:46 pm

Many of the sprites of his Vega are edited and redrawn, so yes. The rest, he ripped and aligned himself from the original game, which is quite some work (check spriter rippers communities). He also made the .sff, and the .air, and the code. That is quite a lot of work.

The addition you made is actually quite small compared to the time, effort, and talent it took him do the char.

And, again, if you claim Cybaster and Jango stole your IDEA it's one thing, but you can't claim they stole/edited your stage, since they didn't touch it.
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PostSubject: Re: Mystery Theater 3000 (Ugly unauthorized edit of our oldhosteldHD24 stage)   Wed Dec 09, 2009 3:08 pm

A copyright is an intellectual propriety on a creation. Not a physical propriety.
There is no link between copyright and workcharge :
-You can piss on a blanck paper, sign it and sell it 1 million dollar as original creation.
-You can works one year to improve Vega, it will stay copyright abusing. Even you redraw all the sprites yourself. Because you don't have anteriority on it.

The only importants elements in creation are originality and anteriority.
To steal our originals stages ideas, copy and/or derivate them is not defendable, morally and legally.
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PostSubject: Re: Mystery Theater 3000 (Ugly unauthorized edit of our oldhosteldHD24 stage)   Wed Dec 09, 2009 3:14 pm

So you can steal Waru's work, but Cy and Jango can't steal your idea?

LOLOGIC ERROR

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PostSubject: Re: Mystery Theater 3000 (Ugly unauthorized edit of our oldhosteldHD24 stage)   Wed Dec 09, 2009 3:18 pm

We didn't stolen Waru works, we have filtered it and adapted it to our HR2 format keeping all credits to him.

We're not credited for these crappy derivations.

Waru abuse Capcom copyright. Capcom tolerate it because they consider it's a fan-art activity.
Theses tards abuse our copyright. We don't tolerate it but we don't sue them because we have no time to loose and no money to win to sue students.

If theses derivations represent an important part of V 1.0 HD content, we will see with Elecbyte LLC.
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PostSubject: Re: Mystery Theater 3000 (Ugly unauthorized edit of our oldhosteldHD24 stage)   Wed Dec 09, 2009 3:32 pm

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So they ARE Elecbyte, now? Laughing

Plus, from their previous and current licenses, it says they don't take any responsibility for what the users create for the engine. Someone can make a stage with child porn images, and they'll still be safe. Read their license.
Also, you can't sue anyone since the original image isn't yours. Decorablog could sue all of you, though...

And Waru asked not to have his stuff re-hosted nor edited. Explicitly. You can credit him all you want, he still doesn't like it. He can't do anything legally, of course. It's just a matter of manners and education towards a respected creator.
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PostSubject: Re: Mystery Theater 3000 (Ugly unauthorized edit of our oldhosteldHD24 stage)   Wed Dec 09, 2009 3:40 pm

Elecbyte LLC is not the company which have released the mugen core we use.
Elecbyte LLC is the company which have released Mugen V 1.0 RCx which is the engine which support these derivations.

If they are the vector of a systemic derivation of original content to their engine and support it (by tolerate it on their forum, for example...), we can sue them.


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PostSubject: Re: Mystery Theater 3000 (Ugly unauthorized edit of our oldhosteldHD24 stage)   Wed Dec 09, 2009 3:46 pm

Even though I don't think it's enough for a lawsuit, this content hasn't been released nor will be on their forums, don't worry. I don't think they even know or care about these crappy stages that much. Smile

They'll be hosted everywhere else, though. Razz
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PostSubject: Re: Mystery Theater 3000 (Ugly unauthorized edit of our oldhosteldHD24 stage)   Wed Dec 09, 2009 3:55 pm

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Even though I don't think

Nobody care what you think about this.

Elecbyte lawyer (Naqiz & Associates) doesn't enjoy the fact that 40% of the Mugen V 1.0 HD content are unauthorised derivations of BrokenMUGEN HD original content.
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PostSubject: Re: Mystery Theater 3000 (Ugly unauthorized edit of our oldhosteldHD24 stage)   Wed Dec 09, 2009 6:07 pm

Nobody cares what you think, either, for that matter.

Specially the community, which will continue releasing stuff like this just to spite you.

Haven't you noticed that they are doing this because it bothers you? How about trying a change of attitude?

I bet if you quit hosting your so-called 'engine' people would stop this nonsense.
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PostSubject: Re: Mystery Theater 3000 (Ugly unauthorized edit of our oldhosteldHD24 stage)   Thu Dec 10, 2009 2:00 am

Elecbyte LLC care.

We fuck the little useless community of 50 unproductive people who have only MFG and MI in the life.
They should create original content for v1.0 instead of insult us, criticize and steal our original content, giving moral advices in the same time.
(We have no matter with guys like DJ-Van, MOTVN, Ryon or FlickR who create original content for V1.0.)

BrokenMUGEN HD have 15 HD 960 stages and 24 HR2 chars with the same DPI.

Mugen V 1.0 have 5 HD stages (2 are copy of BMHR Team oldhostlelHD24 stage) and just one HD char fitting with them (same DPI) "puppetmaster elvaan HD" released by US, BMHR Team.

The first working HD Mugen is our creation.
HD and HR2 chars formats are our creation. We were the first to release some and only us have released some.
HD 960 stages is our HD stage format and it represent 75% of the available HD stages. (And 10% of the others 25% are copy of it).

Powerfull community... Laughing

We don't like your brother ultra low res works, but it's an original creation and we respect his works because of that. Like we respect every works. Except uncredited steal.
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PostSubject: Re: Mystery Theater 3000 (Ugly unauthorized edit of our oldhosteldHD24 stage)   Thu Dec 10, 2009 3:53 am

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Elecbyte LLC care.
Erm, not really, unless you take actual legal action. You planning to sue them, like you said you would sue Guild, and Cybaster? He is still hosting the stage, you know? Will you sue? Or are you just bluffing?

Only when Elecbyte posts the letter they get from your lawyer will I believe you.

Also, 1.0 RCx has got 82 HD stages.
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PostSubject: Re: Mystery Theater 3000 (Ugly unauthorized edit of our oldhosteldHD24 stage)   Thu Dec 10, 2009 4:07 am

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Erm, not really, unless you take actual legal action. You planning to sue them, like you said you would sue Guild, and Cybaster? He is still hosting the stage, you know? Will you sue? Or are you just bluffing?

Mugenguild host have been contacted. His stage have been removed yet from some share sites but he can easily reupload it, so we will remove his stage from MFG and let him upload his stage on share sites.

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Only when Elecbyte posts the letter they get from your lawyer will I believe you.

I don't care you believe me.

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Also, 1.0 RCx has got 82 HD stages.



The original content of the community. At their image, useless. Laughing
We consider it's a joke, we will count them when they will be publicly released on MFG and/or MI and/or here.


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PostSubject: Re: Mystery Theater 3000 (Ugly unauthorized edit of our oldhosteldHD24 stage)   Thu Dec 10, 2009 4:27 am

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Mugenguild host have been contacted.
Okay. But Cy's stage is still there. -_-

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I don't care you believe me.
Oh okay. You seem to care less and less about what one of the few posting members of your forum believe of you. Just saying I'm starting to think you actually are all talk and don't know the first thing about law, nor will take anyone to court.

Also, I don't understand why re-hosting their stuff, or even starting this thread. Unless all you want is publicity, which is what my brother says (but I don't believe him).
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PostSubject: Re: Mystery Theater 3000 (Ugly unauthorized edit of our oldhosteldHD24 stage)   Thu Dec 10, 2009 4:37 am

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Okay. But Cy's stage is still there.

It take some time because mugenguild have a domain anonymizer (domainbyproxy.com). We had to proove the copyright abuse before they gave us the real host identity. It's done.
Now we're doing the same thing with the real MFG host, it will take some days too.

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Oh okay. You seem to care less and less about what one of the few posting members of your forum believe of you. Just saying I'm starting to think you actually are all talk and don't know the first thing about law, nor will take anyone to court.

Also, I don't understand why re-hosting their stuff, or even starting this thread. Unless all you want is publicity, which is what my brother says (but I don't believe him).

No, we don't care what you think. The goal of this forum is to concentrate Mugen HD developments. No to speak with uncreatives people.

The reason why we host these stages is indicated in stages releases topics :

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As we are the authors of the original release, we prefer to host it ourself than to let only warhouses providing it
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PostSubject: Re: Mystery Theater 3000 (Ugly unauthorized edit of our oldhosteldHD24 stage)   Thu Dec 10, 2009 4:54 am

Good job Herba, Supa troll launching

You imitate me pretty well Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Mystery Theater 3000 (Ugly unauthorized edit of our oldhosteldHD24 stage)   Thu Dec 10, 2009 5:11 am

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No, we don't care what you think. The goal of this forum is to concentrate Mugen HD developments. No to speak with uncreatives people.
Those are very bad manners if you want to have people come here to share their stuff, you know.

I'm developing a lot of HD stages ATM (12, to be exact) with proper deltas and layer separation, and planning to release them in January, here. Might as well take them somewhere else, where people isn't that rude. My brother keeps telling me to go to Mugen Guild, but I wanted to see how you guys were for myself...
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PostSubject: Re: Mystery Theater 3000 (Ugly unauthorized edit of our oldhosteldHD24 stage)   Thu Dec 10, 2009 5:16 am

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Those are very bad manners if you want to have people come here to share their stuff, you know.

I'm developing a lot of HD stages ATM (12, to be exact) with proper deltas and layer separation, and planning to release them in January, here. Might as well take them somewhere else, where people isn't that rude.

For the moment, you just speak.
Go on the forum "where people isn't that rude" and insult Vyx on 20 pages where he can't answer.

We don't care.
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PostSubject: Re: Mystery Theater 3000 (Ugly unauthorized edit of our oldhosteldHD24 stage)   Thu Dec 10, 2009 5:21 am

Check the 3 HD stages we have released yesterday. Deltas are fixed, we use 3 RGB layers (unlike your 75 crappy colorloss stages) and we got far better perfs than RCx...
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PostSubject: Re: Mystery Theater 3000 (Ugly unauthorized edit of our oldhosteldHD24 stage)   Thu Dec 10, 2009 5:28 am

Stop to deal with this hypocrite who say "my brother say you're piece of shits (but i'm not agree)" and ban him.
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PostSubject: Re: Mystery Theater 3000 (Ugly unauthorized edit of our oldhosteldHD24 stage)   Thu Dec 10, 2009 5:38 am

My stage again ? They share the same neuron in all the community or what ?
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PostSubject: Re: Mystery Theater 3000 (Ugly unauthorized edit of our oldhosteldHD24 stage)   Thu Dec 10, 2009 5:45 am

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They share the same neuron in all the community or what ?

Y, that's their community concept.

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and ban him.

don't ban him, he say he is developing 12 HD stages for RCx



If he have the same graphic skills than his brother, it should be sad to miss it Razz
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PostSubject: Re: Mystery Theater 3000 (Ugly unauthorized edit of our oldhosteldHD24 stage)   Thu Dec 10, 2009 6:01 am

wow ! I understand better why they steal my stage...
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